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This is just going to be a rant about something that has been on my mind for a while.

I keep hearing people, religious or atheists, say "You have to pick a side. Picking a side is important. Are you religious or atheist? Picking a middle way like agnostic is cowardly"

You want to know what side I'm on? I'm on the side of I want state and religion to be separate and for it to otherwise not matter.

It's usually people who come from countries where religion still has a big hand in law who feel strongly about this, and I can understand why. Where they come from it is important, but the entire world isn't like that. In the part of the world I come from it doesn't matter if you're religious or not. 

You don't want the abortion because of your religion? Fine, no one is going to force you, but if you do, you can have it. You don't want to get married in a church or have your child baptized? Fine, we'll take care of that at the City Hall. You're gay and want to get married in a church, but the local priest doesn't want to wed you? Fine, the priest in the next town does.

It just doesn't matter. 

Of course, human rights comes first and you will be judged for shitty behavior no matter if you do it for religious reasons or just because you're an asshole.
Your religion tells you to have five wives? You might not all be married in the eyes of the law, but if you have some sort of ceremony that makes it more official to you and everybody's happy, then go on your marry way. You're forcing someone to marry you and keeping them against their will? In the slammer you go.

I'm what we call a culture Christian. I'm not religious but I like Christmas and I had my confirmation because I wanted the party and presents, and the church was happy to confirm me. They got something out of it, I got something out of it. Happy times all around. An non of it meant I or the priest who confirmed me are going to go out and burn down a Muslim family's house or bash the head of a gay baby in.

Which brings me to another point. If people are assholes they will use any excuse they have. 
If you hate gay people and you're religious? It's against the bible! 
If you hate gay people and is atheist? It's just plain disgusting!
Religion has started wars because someone just really wanted to fight someone and used their religion as an excuse, and it has helped millions because someone just really wanted to be nice.
Parents might tell their children that a group of people are horrible because the bible says so, but the children might still grow up to think that group of people are actually pretty awesome anyway and still be religious.
Religion doesn't make someone a better or worse person. It makes them exactly who they already are. Same goes for atheists.

That is how religion is looked at in my part of the world. It doesn't matter. How you act matters. You can take part in religious acts just because they're fun and the religious people will usually welcome you knowing you won't join the religion afterwards.

So that's the side I'm on. I want it to not matter.
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RoyceGrey Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014
Being agnostic is a side.  Being reasonable is a side.

"I'm what we call a culture Christian."

They have Clutural Jews, so why not?  I'm Protistand in outlook more than in any other respect.
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direwolph15 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You don't need to pick a side. I am an atheist, but I have many friends who are religious. I don't think being gay is wrong, even though i'm straight. I just think people should believe whatever, just not act stupid because the follow a book EXACTLY or argue all the time with others. Even if you are religious, people, that doesn't mean you have to follow the bible's every word. If you are an atheist, well, some people should be more accepting to people who believe differently. Having a different religion shouldn't make you not be able to have friends who are different. *End Rant XD*
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Lycanamu Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014  Student General Artist
This is a good writing. :star:

I once heard a quote:

"Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaiviour does."

It just couldn't have been said better. I, personally, don't believe in anything supernatural, but I still don't consider myself an atheist, neither an agnostic (because there are little details that make it different). BUT I don't mock people for having religions etc.

It's just when people start bashing others' human rights because of their beliefs, I feel angry. At the point where people start saying "hating gays and opposing abortion is a part of my religion!!!1", their words become really tasteless. Oh, treating a certaing group of people badly because of the way the were born is a part of your religion? Wow.

Being gay doesn't hurt anyone.

Discriminating and even killing people because of one's beliefs does.

Nothing wrong with Christianity itself, though. I even know openly and proudly gay Christians and completely straight Christians who think that sexual minorities should have the same rights as everyone else.

Christian =/= intolerant asshole

Christian = believes in Jesus and stuff

At it's best, religion can be a source of emotional power etc., and so on.

I accept if some people are uncomfortable with gays or abortion. But these people feeling uncomfy don't have to be gay or abort their fetuses themselves. But those who do, they should leave alone. The problem is when these people make LBGT people's lives more difficult by spreading homophobia and trying prohibit women's (or other people's who have a uterus) right to choose what to do with their own damn bodies.

Jeeze, this world would be a better place if people were tolerant and not trying to force their preferences and beliefs on, for example, on their own children (think about gay children who grow up in a homophobic family... some end up killing themselves.. That's why EVERYONE should be able to be educated about how diverse can sexuality be and how it's all okay. It goes against children's rights to teach some kids that they're bad and wrong, and to the other kids to bully this different kid.)

My only belief is that you can do whatever you want if it doesn't mean stepping on other people's toes. I think nothing gives anyone a right to take rights away from a certain group of people or to teach others to hate this group of people.
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MarianaErwin555 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
I'm Christian and I agree with this... :)
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PrincessLuna1313 Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*slow claps*
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Lunaleaf Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2014
I just re-discovered your page through your journals. I'm glad I've heard of you before, because you say things that make my heart rest a little easier. It's nice to know that somewhere there are people that are perfectly happy to just be happy, and to let others do the same.
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Dreamscape195 Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2014
Humon, I've been searching for years for how to explain this point of view, and you nailed it. THANK YOU. X3 <3
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Unfortunately, it does matter. Tell me, why shouldn't I kill you for disagreeing with me? Why shouldn't I simply find where you live and kill you? The law matters, an law can only come from God.
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Roboturdo38 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So I can't disagree with you?
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No, but when you do disagree, come up with a more rational arguement than "That's what I want."
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Roboturdo38 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nah, this becomes a big waste of time in the end, woops
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No it's not. If you can't see why, then you must be either blind or apathetic.
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FigureHunter Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
If you're going to follow a religion, and make statements about how 'law can only come from God', then perhaps you should actually follow the laws that are clearly, explicitly, laid out for you? :)

"You shall not murder." - Exodus 20:13
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Lovely, I believe that was my point. In taking a stand and living to our principles, we bow to the creator of all laws. That would be God, the single, perfect, saving God.
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Numbuh00 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Why shouldn't you kill someone for disagreeing with you? Because you're not a fucking psychopath, that's why! Seriously, if the only thing stopping someone from killing (etc.) is an ancient book, then that person is a bit disturbed. The thing stopping you from killing someone should be your own moral compass and your own conscience. If your conscience is telling you to kill someone for disagreeing with you (and the only reason you don't actually go through with it is because "God said it was a sin"), then there's probably something wrong with you. 
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No, it's not the book that stops me.

Where did the moral compass come from? Who made it? Why is it wrong?
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Numbuh00 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It comes from the human brain and human emotions. Nobody "made" it. It's wrong because it causes suffering (and suffering in others evokes sympathy or empathy).

That's just my belief, of course, you're allowed to disagree.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Who made the human brain and human emotions? Why should I care? What if I felt no pity at all? Would that make it right?
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The moral compass comes from what is necessary to live and work in groups. Even wolves have a fucking moral compass. BTW, I've walked on streets older than your religion, so don't give me crap about how laws have to come from your god, because laws existed long before it was around.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
On the contrary, my religion extends to the beginning of time because the very structure of he Christian religion begins with the fulfillment of Judaism. Further I see no reason for you to use such language. It speaks of your deep disrespect for me and my views. Please carry on this conversation civilly.
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, you find naughty words offensive? I mean, I've had to deal with marketplaces awash in the blood of children, but you're right, naughty language is just so incredibly offense. Thanks for setting me straight on that one... In case you failed to notice, that's a little thing we call sarcasm.

There is no civility in dealing with trash like you.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh really you have? Where?

I have seen mothers wailing and crying out because their children are dead. I have been to the darkest part of the world and seen sicknesses that your mind can hardly conceive. I have been there and seen that and I am still here.

I am trash. We all are. There is nothing good in any man. But God has made a way for sinner to become saint, and that is what you refuse to believe. You do not want to believe that there is mercy in Heaven, and all becausit would affect the way you live.

I have a cure for an illness that you and millions like you are dying of, but you will not swallow it.
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Where? Iraq, that's where.

Where have you been?

And your god is a psychopath. He wants us to be happy and he loves us, but if we don't love him back he condemns us to eternal suffering? Yeah, that doesn't sound like an abusive boyfriend or anything.

As for what I'm dying of, it's this odd little condition called mortality. You should watch out, it's been going around for a long while.
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Huggable-Cactus Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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glassdragon42 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I thank you for having the courage to actually broadcast your view on this conflict. Most people aren't so brave. I wish more people thought like this.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The problem is that this opinion is flying in the face of what the world believes. To the World, and to God, it does matter, and no matter what you do, it matters.
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Which god? Yours? As worshiped by the Jews? As worshiped by the Christians? By the Muslims? And by which branch of those religions? Every believe system is wrong except for the exact one you believe? Wow, isn't that convenient for you!
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If you will examine the religions that you just pointed out they all say exactly the same thing. Further, if you think that being a Christian when there are jerks like you around is convenient, then you should examine how you speak and act. If it truly did not matter to you, you wouldn't care that I disagree. Thus, your participation in this exchange is an acknowledgment of your viewpoint's vulnerability.
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
You running around trying to proselytize is a public nuisance. Does the fact that an exterminator removes vermin make him afraid of rats? That's your logic. And it is terribly flawed.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
An exterminator forms a usefl part of society. Further, yes, he is afraid of rats, because rats do damage to people. He does not wish to allow this, therefore he does his work. My opinion is damaging to you because you have nowhere to stand in the end. You have no foundation.
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Escef Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Your opinion is only damaging when it becomes part of law and we all are forced to abide by it. I don't try to force people to live by my judgements, but you apparently think forcing everyone to do as you would be grand.
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DestinyDannyPhantom3 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2014  Student General Artist

I agree with you. for me, I don't want to be religious or read the bible. the bible is boring....I mean it may have some interesting points to it about how humans appeared on earth and how the universe was born, but other then that its just a boring old book. and for me, I don't believe in god to be honest. I think god is...well...I think god is a myth. a fairytale, just like mermaids, vampires, zombies, fairies, ghosts or whatever fantasy creature you hear about. I'm more of in the middle of agnostic and atheist in my mind. but that's just me, I respect everyone else's opinions because that's what I polite person would do.

 

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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yes, it's what a polite person would do, but not what a true believer in the one true God would do. A Christian respects your right to your opinions, but we know that you're just plain wrong.
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DestinyDannyPhantom3 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Student General Artist
hm, I guess i'd be the same way if I was actually religious. I respect your opinion.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Then what do you believe?
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DestinyDannyPhantom3 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Student General Artist
to be honest I believe in a higher power, not god. i'm in the middle of agnostic and atheist honestly. I do respect your opinion dude.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
What higher power can there be besides God?
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DestinyDannyPhantom3 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Student General Artist
its hard to explain, bro. lots of other people besides me believe in a higher power. some people are atheist and agnostic. i'm in the middle, and though I don't really believe in god I respect people who do.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If you cannot explain it, doesn't it worry you that you could be wrong?
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PokePastaGHOST Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
^This.
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DestinyDannyPhantom3 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Student General Artist

^^; i didn't offend you with my opinion, did i? i'm sorry......

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PokePastaGHOST Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
No, I meant it explains my thoughts exactly XD
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DestinyDannyPhantom3 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Student General Artist
oops XD sorry i got confused there
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RoseSerpenthelm Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2014  Student Digital Artist

I have officially gained a lot of respect for you, Humon


You, madam, have won the internet

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NekoLadyProductions Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Student General Artist
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Mikathegold Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Amen. :clap:
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Strange choice for someone agreeing that religion should be kept to a minimum.
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D4rkD4wn Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2014
the more I read and see from you the more I think I'm in love.  :-)  You make me smile dear.
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SirFerrick Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel the same about lots of stuff. Like, with gender or race equality stuff. I don't really mind if there are equal groups of male & female in places of importance, or any of that stuff. I want it to not matter, for it to be chosen on skill sets and not judged by male or female.
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SilverFoxThief Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013
Oh, Humon, I think you've finally summed up how I want religion to be viewed! :D
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