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This is just going to be a rant about something that has been on my mind for a while.

I keep hearing people, religious or atheists, say "You have to pick a side. Picking a side is important. Are you religious or atheist? Picking a middle way like agnostic is cowardly"

You want to know what side I'm on? I'm on the side of I want state and religion to be separate and for it to otherwise not matter.

It's usually people who come from countries where religion still has a big hand in law who feel strongly about this, and I can understand why. Where they come from it is important, but the entire world isn't like that. In the part of the world I come from it doesn't matter if you're religious or not. 

You don't want the abortion because of your religion? Fine, no one is going to force you, but if you do, you can have it. You don't want to get married in a church or have your child baptized? Fine, we'll take care of that at the City Hall. You're gay and want to get married in a church, but the local priest doesn't want to wed you? Fine, the priest in the next town does.

It just doesn't matter. 

Of course, human rights comes first and you will be judged for shitty behavior no matter if you do it for religious reasons or just because you're an asshole.
Your religion tells you to have five wives? You might not all be married in the eyes of the law, but if you have some sort of ceremony that makes it more official to you and everybody's happy, then go on your marry way. You're forcing someone to marry you and keeping them against their will? In the slammer you go.

I'm what we call a culture Christian. I'm not religious but I like Christmas and I had my confirmation because I wanted the party and presents, and the church was happy to confirm me. They got something out of it, I got something out of it. Happy times all around. An non of it meant I or the priest who confirmed me are going to go out and burn down a Muslim family's house or bash the head of a gay baby in.

Which brings me to another point. If people are assholes they will use any excuse they have. 
If you hate gay people and you're religious? It's against the bible! 
If you hate gay people and is atheist? It's just plain disgusting!
Religion has started wars because someone just really wanted to fight someone and used their religion as an excuse, and it has helped millions because someone just really wanted to be nice.
Parents might tell their children that a group of people are horrible because the bible says so, but the children might still grow up to think that group of people are actually pretty awesome anyway and still be religious.
Religion doesn't make someone a better or worse person. It makes them exactly who they already are. Same goes for atheists.

That is how religion is looked at in my part of the world. It doesn't matter. How you act matters. You can take part in religious acts just because they're fun and the religious people will usually welcome you knowing you won't join the religion afterwards.

So that's the side I'm on. I want it to not matter.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Unfortunately, it does matter. Tell me, why shouldn't I kill you for disagreeing with me? Why shouldn't I simply find where you live and kill you? The law matters, an law can only come from God.
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Numbuh00 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Why shouldn't you kill someone for disagreeing with you? Because you're not a fucking psychopath, that's why! Seriously, if the only thing stopping someone from killing (etc.) is an ancient book, then that person is a bit disturbed. The thing stopping you from killing someone should be your own moral compass and your own conscience. If your conscience is telling you to kill someone for disagreeing with you (and the only reason you don't actually go through with it is because "God said it was a sin"), then there's probably something wrong with you. 
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No, it's not the book that stops me.

Where did the moral compass come from? Who made it? Why is it wrong?
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Numbuh00 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It comes from the human brain and human emotions. Nobody "made" it. It's wrong because it causes suffering (and suffering in others evokes sympathy or empathy).

That's just my belief, of course, you're allowed to disagree.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Who made the human brain and human emotions? Why should I care? What if I felt no pity at all? Would that make it right?
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The moral compass comes from what is necessary to live and work in groups. Even wolves have a fucking moral compass. BTW, I've walked on streets older than your religion, so don't give me crap about how laws have to come from your god, because laws existed long before it was around.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
On the contrary, my religion extends to the beginning of time because the very structure of he Christian religion begins with the fulfillment of Judaism. Further I see no reason for you to use such language. It speaks of your deep disrespect for me and my views. Please carry on this conversation civilly.
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, you find naughty words offensive? I mean, I've had to deal with marketplaces awash in the blood of children, but you're right, naughty language is just so incredibly offense. Thanks for setting me straight on that one... In case you failed to notice, that's a little thing we call sarcasm.

There is no civility in dealing with trash like you.
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EmpressofDiamonds Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh really you have? Where?

I have seen mothers wailing and crying out because their children are dead. I have been to the darkest part of the world and seen sicknesses that your mind can hardly conceive. I have been there and seen that and I am still here.

I am trash. We all are. There is nothing good in any man. But God has made a way for sinner to become saint, and that is what you refuse to believe. You do not want to believe that there is mercy in Heaven, and all becausit would affect the way you live.

I have a cure for an illness that you and millions like you are dying of, but you will not swallow it.
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Escef Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Where? Iraq, that's where.

Where have you been?

And your god is a psychopath. He wants us to be happy and he loves us, but if we don't love him back he condemns us to eternal suffering? Yeah, that doesn't sound like an abusive boyfriend or anything.

As for what I'm dying of, it's this odd little condition called mortality. You should watch out, it's been going around for a long while.
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